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Poster: reviewr Date: Apr 4, 2011 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Kickin' up some dust

I know this will get a lot of you going: I was just listening to the new Miller 2/22/69 while watching the NCAA game. I have to admit that I think of the Live Dead version of DS is my standard, but the 2/22/69 as well as all of the '69 Dark Stars don't live up to what was to come. The '70s and espesially '72 and '73 are better! Even the '89s are in the race. Who's with me? My favorite may be the Miami '74 (you may argue it's not a real DS w/o the words).

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 4, 2011 11:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kickin' up some dust

agree w/ snow_and_rain.

different eras of DS have different aspects i enjoy more than others. while the 1970 and beyond versions have incredible jazz, space, and thematic jamming, '69 DS typically have a more cohesive "flow" to my ears, mostly because of Jerry's intense and heavy psychedelic lead. Garcia is usually in the driver's seat a bit more during these, which some may not like as much and i get that. personally though, i love it, and i think there are a lot of very creative, enjoyable versions, far more than in the later years.

oh yes and props for throwing out 10/12/68, one of my very favorite "pre live-dead" versions. beautiful and hypnotic every time...

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2011-04-05 06:58:44

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Poster: polarized blue Date: Apr 5, 2011 12:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kickin' up some dust

Yeah, it's a tough one to nail. All of the Dark Star scenarios are subjective to the feeling of the musicians at the time of playing. There are so many things to consider: equipment, new and exciting sound they were keen to experiment with, frame of mind, musical themes they had discovered, or started to explore, then abandon and return to at another time. It was always just a launch-pad for a jam, really. So anything goes. Likewise, it's also for the ear of the listener to zoom into certain aspects that one has a mind to hear. I love the 68 and 69 Dark Stars, but also love the 70 and 71, 72, and 73-74 versions too, each for different reasons.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Apr 5, 2011 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kickin' up some dust

like another forum member stated, it's apples and oranges, whatever one's preference is, for whatever takes them to that place we all (i would hope) try to reach when listening to this band; similar to 'hashjihad' i used to think 10/12/68 one of the best (there is no actual 'best'), but i've been delving into the '69 dark stars, and am inclined to partially agree w/Cliff, but rather than 2/27, i'm going to give the nod to 2/28 as quite possibly the greatest of all time, if such a thing can be stated; 2/27 is fantastic of course and it's certainly no easy comparison with the next nite, but something about Jerry's guitar and solo work in the 2/28 version wins it for me; perhaps Cliff needs a new pair of headphones?

i've heard a version here and there from the early '70s that i was quite taken with but dates escape me right now; as far as any dark stars from post-'retirement' years, the kindest thing i can say is that right now i just don't listen to anything beyond a handful of shows falling in the '79-'82 era

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 5, 2011 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kickin' up some dust

I'm going to have to strenuously disagree with you!

There are some 1969 Dark Stars that are every bit as good as those that follow in 1970-1973.

Garcia's Baroque approach during 1969 made for some incredible Stars! 2/27/69 is quite possibly the greatest Dark Star of all time. And 11/2/69 is every bit as good any of the best from 1972...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-11-02.sbd.miller.32350.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: reviewr Date: Apr 5, 2011 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kickin' up some dust

I love to hear something new, and 11/2/69 was new to me. I just listened to Dark Star through Death Don't. When I first posted this thread I really didn't put a lot of thought into it - it was just my first impression of hearing a '69 show and roughly thinking about all the other shows.
I have now considered things more closely, and I guess I just don't care for '69 that much. '68 seems so much more raw and powerful in comparison and '70 more developed and mature to me.
I still think the Dark Stars in '70 and beyond is wwhen they reach their full potential.
To each his own. Thanks for the 11/2 tip - I loved the St. Stephen> Eleven.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 4, 2011 9:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kickin' up some dust

Apples and oranges.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 5, 2011 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kickin' up some dust

I have a special place for those early 69 Dark Stars . Very ethereal . I like all the the pre 75 ones , for al the usual reasons , love all the jams etc, but the more "psychedelic" sounding ones ( the "Live Dead" one fore sure ) are highly prized .
I loved it when they brought it back ( to some extent ) in 89, but I generally find it sort of lumpy, "earthbound" . Yes they could get WAY OUT with it , but "ethereal" sounding, not really . You still have it in 74, just look a Jerry playing it in the GD movie footage ; but after that it is cool they play it , but for me it always misses something .

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Poster: JihadOMuffin Date: Apr 4, 2011 9:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kickin' up some dust

I disagree i really like 10/12/68, it is my favorite DS of All time! It is not just Because of the Darkstar, The Saint Steven and Eleven Jams are just amazing! Very up tempo, Maracas are very high in the mix, Jerry's singing is excellent! sounds excellent! I am just very partial to the trio. Of course I love the later feelin groovy jams especially the early Fillmore east 70's darkstars!